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08/21/22 02:12 PM #148    

 

Ralph Shapira

Thanks, Reed.  It means a lot to know my story touched you.  Thank you for saying so.


08/27/22 02:58 PM #149    

 

Ralph Shapira

I just posted the final six chapters of my autobio, Chapters 14-19, on my classmate profile page.  Yes, it's finally finished.

I have laid myself bare in these pages; there's a great deal of highly personal and unflattering information in the work.  If anyone other than those who've already commented is reading, please send me a message on my profile page to let me know.  After all interested classmates finish reading it, I may delete the entire package in order to reclaim whatever remains of my privacy.


09/05/22 02:53 PM #150    

 

Ralph Shapira

GIBSON'S BAKERY NEWS:  I just learned, and report here for your information, that on August 30 the Ohio Supreme Court declined to hear Oberlin's appeal in the Gibson's Bakery case.  That means the Ohio Court of Appeals decision is the final outcome of the case -- OBERLIN COLLEGE MUST PAY THE GIBSONS $31.6 MILLION DOLLARS, comprised of $11.1 million in compensatory damages, $13.9 million in punitive damages, and $6.3 million for the Gibsons' attorney fees.  I don't know whether under Ohio law interest on the unpaid judgment is also due, nor to what extent Oberlin's insurance policies will pay part of the judgment.  But for certain at least the $13.9 million will have to come out of Oberlin's own pocket, because no insurer is liable for punitive damages awarded against its insured.

 

 

 


09/06/22 10:29 AM #151    

 

Edward McKelvey

Time to pay it and move on.  This should have happened years ago.


09/06/22 01:07 PM #152    

Richard Apling

I agree, and also it is time for the college to apologize to the family and supporters of Gibsons, which the administration apparently has not done.


09/06/22 01:13 PM #153    

Robert Dickinson

I hope the college has leaned something from this whole fiasco!  I think we all received very good acedemic educations at Oberlin, but the social education has always been poor.  Finally the poor performance of the School's staff has costs the College significantly and maybe the administration will be more focused on leading the school based on what's right and what is wrong social (and legal) behavior.  In my opinion this incident has set back the reputation of the school Nationally.   


09/06/22 02:42 PM #154    

 

Joel Hastings

I agree with my classmates in postings 151, 152 and 153 on the Gibson's fiasco.

Joel Hastings


09/06/22 02:53 PM #155    

Judith Klavans

I am saddened that the reputation of Oberlin where we were all afforded the privilege of a personalized and inspirational education has plummeted.

Judy


09/06/22 04:04 PM #156    

 

Paula Gordon

I am saddened that Free Speech lost the day.


09/06/22 09:36 PM #157    

Peter Griswold

Please correct me if I am wrong.  My recall of Oberlin's involvement in the incident at Gibson;s was: 1) to allow a sign urging a boycott of Gibson's to hang in a college building; 2) to refuse to buy Gibson's products for a period of time; and 3) to provide some modest support to the protestors.(photcopying, etc).  #1 the sign, seems to me an issue of free speech.  Do students have the right to post  a message on college properrty advocating an action that is legal?  Should the college have censored the message?  #2 seems to me a business decision.  Oberlin can contract with any business they choose to for whatever reason they have.  I's clearly not in the Colege's intersts to harm the relationship with the town, but that is a matter of public relations, not law.  For #3, I emphasize the word modest.  The Dean didn't recruit the students, or encourage them overtly through speech or action.  One can argue that Oberlin made a number of mistakes once the Gibson decided to sue, and in retrospect, apolgizing and settling early was the wisest course of action.   I have no legal experience, but it seems to me that the president and Board of Trustees are entitled to defend the College against a suit without that defense being perceived by a jury as an additional offense added onto the actions of the college leading up to and on the day of the protest.  What I can't get over is the size of the award!  Was Gibson's business hurt that badly to justify over $10 million in compensatory damages?  Were the actions of the college leading up to the protest and on the day of the protest so heinous to warrant the size of the punitive damages?  I believe the College was liable, but liable to that extent?  The award seems so out of proportion.   Sadly, I agree with my classmates who lamented the harm this had done to the College's reputation.  I believe that the repercussions from this loss will not go away in an easy or timely manner.    


09/07/22 10:36 AM #158    

 

Ralph Shapira

Anyone interested in the Gibson's Bakery story should read a September 1 article by Lori Gibson, who runs the bakery, in the New York Post.


09/07/22 11:33 AM #159    

 

Ralph Shapira

I'm reposting here a piece I first posted in July 2019 explaining why the Gibson's verdict was NOT on account of students' free speech, but rather was about the college administration's active encouragement of the students' defamation of the Gibsons, its own dissemination of their libelous statements and its own boycott of the Gibson's business:

"Oberlin has said the Gibsons verdict will chill free speech on campuses across the country.  If so, it is entirely Oberlin’s fault:  it is the College’s own misleading statements about the case that caused the chill. 

"Oberlin has consistently said — and maintains to this day — that the College was not involved in the libel or the boycott, that they were solely the actions of its students.  But that badly misstates the case. The evidence at trial showed that Oberlin, through its Dean of Students (the “Dean”), directly libeled the Gibsons, fueled and fomented the student protests and intentionally interfered with Gibson’s business. Other colleges need not fear the Gibsons precedent unless they directly participate, as the Dean clearly did, in wrongful conduct that injures others.  Nothing about the Gibson's case if properly understood suggests that any college need tamp down student speech to protect itself from liability.   

"The evidence showed that at the demonstrations, the Dean handed a copy of the libelous flyer to an editor for the Oberlin News Tribune.  There’s no more effective way to disseminate a libelous statement than to give it to a newspaperman. 
   
"The Dean didn’t stop there.  She arranged to have copies of the libelous flyer made for handout by the students on the Conservatory’s copying machines without charge.  Witnesses testified that she and a subordinate handed out stacks of the flyers.  She took a bullhorn, stood among the student protestors and directed and encouraged their actions.  She arranged for the college to reimburse the purchase of gloves for the students, she provided them food and water and she directed them to spaces for rest.

"Oberlin allowed the libelous materials to be posted in Wilder Hall, where they remained for a year after the protests.  The Dean also personally directed Oberlin’s food service company to stop buying from Gibsons (other administrators including the College’s then-President disagreed with cancelling the bakery’s business but kept silent in order to “support” the Dean).  All this evidence is apparent in the copies of the trial transcript reproduced in plaintiff counsel’s FAQ.  To be sure, Oberlin introduced evidence to the contrary on some points, but all the above is based on admitted evidence that the jury chose to believe.

"This all amounts to the College's intentionally disseminating the libelous materials and fomenting the student protests and boycott off Gibson's. 

"Even if the college hadn't directly disseminated the libelous statements and had only encouraged the students in doing so, it would have been legally liable for the students' libel.  The Judge ruled in a pre trial hearing that a party's "aiding and abetting" another's defamatory conduct makes it legally liable for the damages that result.  Citing the Ohio case Cooke v. United Dairy Farmers, the judge ruled that:  “[O]ne who requests, procures, or aids and abets, another to publish defamatory matter is liable as well as the publisher.”

"Oberlin’s mischaracterizing the case did more than just fuel other institutions’ groundless fears about student demonstrations; it had more pernicious effects on Oberlin itself. In light of the known facts about the Dean’s actions and the serious economic losses and emotional distress suffered by the Gibsons, this was always a dangerous case that should have been settled.  Oberlin’s self-delusion that the case was only about student speech caused it to see the case as “a matter of principle” and likely prevented it from making the serious settlement efforts — offering sincere apologies, admitting Gibsons was not racist, making meaningful efforts to restore Gibson’s business and compensating Gibsons for its economic damages — that could have helped resolve the case in advance of trial.  

"It also led to the profoundly ill-advised statement by the college’s General Counsel, after the jury’s multimillion dollar compensatory damages verdict and on the eve of the jury being sent back to consider punitive damages, that notwithstanding the jury’s decision, Oberlin did not libel the Gibsons.  There seems little doubt that this statement, seized upon by plaintiffs’ counsel in arguing for punitive damages, further inflamed the jury against the College.  Insulting a still empaneled jury is profoundly bad strategy, and juries tend to reward dissemblers with bad results.  Trial lawyers know how effective it can be in arguing for punitives to be able to say that “they still haven’t accepted responsibility” or “learned their lesson.”  That the General Counsel didn’t know that is inexcusable.  

"The Board of Trustees should consider how and why the administration so badly underestimated the case against it, why it failed to make more meaningful efforts to settle, and why it continues to misrepresent the case to the Oberlin Community and the public.  See, e.g., the College’s President’s post-trial interview with CBSN’s Tanya Rivero (“I think that this decision is really about whether the college should be held liable for the speech of students”).  What is the continuing efficacy of this mischaracterization?  Who is the intended audience, and what is it meant to accomplish?

"I can think of only one purpose:  to conceal from the Board of Trustees and the rest of the college community the extraordinary recklessness and incompetence certain members of the administration displayed from the beginning of this sorry affair until today."

 


09/07/22 07:58 PM #160    

 

Dick Hobby

 

Ralph Shapira's posts on the Gibson affair are great!  Thanks, Ralph!

I read the fifty-page court decision in response to the appeal.  It goes point by point in great detail and makes it clear that Oberlin is completely at fault.

Oberlin College should pay the amount and apologize to the Gibson family and fire all those in the administration who were involved.

Dick


09/07/22 09:26 PM #161    

Peter Griswold

Hello Ralph,

Thanks for posting the link to the article by the Ms. Gibson published in the NY Post and your careful analysis of the actions of the College which exacerbated the situation.  Totally agree that is not about free speech, and if Ms. Gibson's account of students accosting customers outside the store, whether that goes beyond the relam of free speech.  I stand corrected that the Dean's actions, if the evidence of her behavior is true, were more than modest support.  It's interesting that Wikipedia has a long entry on the case, with comments by experts with references to the tension over the 2016 presdiential election.  

I am disappointed, but not surprised, that the NY Post chose to publish the pictures of the three students.  Why didn't they publish a picture of the Dean?  You make a strong case that the statements of the behavior of the administrators is reprehensible.  It seems to me that the General Counsel, in trying to make a fine point that the College didn't state that Gibson's was racist, missed the point that the colleges liable for supporting the dissemination of materials that said otherwise. 

I go back to my initial question, though.  Does the award seem excessive?  Ms. Gibson make the point that the business is near bankruptcy because of the situation, and that students are brainwashed not to purchase Gibson's products.  I wondered how true that is. 

I ask too whethrr others believe the award was excessive.  $11 million in compensator damages.  That's a lot of unsold donuts, but I am not an expert in the financies of small businesses. 

And at the risk of repating myself, I feel as though this incident will have serious and longlasting repercussins for town/gown relationships.  


09/08/22 12:23 AM #162    

 

Edward McKelvey

I can state from first hand experience through mid 2019, when I left the faculty, that business at Gibson's was still well below normal more than 2-1/2 years after the event.  At one point Pam and I ran into Dave Gibson, who we did not know, as he was talking to other neighbors.  This was before the trial. My vague recollection is that he tried to reason with the College in order to prevent a law suit, but to no avail.  While I did not witness the events directly I talked to some students who did, and their accounts generally support what Ralph and Mrs. Gibson have said.  The whole episode reflects poorly on the College, which I believe wrong-footed this at every step.  The College would do well to direct some resources toward improving relations with its neighbors.  Many in the county feel the College throws it's weight around, and this event supports that view.   


09/08/22 01:01 PM #163    

 

Ralph Shapira

Responding to Peter Griswold's question, YES, the award was grossly excessive.  But that's what can happen when a jury gets royally pissed off at a defendant, which both it and the Court of Appeals surely were.  Responding to Dick Hobby, Dean Raimondo should most definitely be fired for her leading role in this disgraceful debacle.  And not just because of her conduct.  Her appalling emails diaparaging the Gibsons and attacking certain faculty members who urged the college to take a different approach doubtless inflamed the jury.

 

 


09/08/22 07:31 PM #164    

 

Robert Baker

Just before trial, It Berlin was offered the opportunity to settle for $5 Million (which plaintiffs had agreed to in mediation). Oberlin rejected this proposal, recommended by the Judge. It was very foolish not to settle this case. I had a long conversation with plaintiffs' lawyer last year ( or maybe 2020), during which he advised me of this. He was only willing to talk to me because of my history of working in legal services, a background that was similar to his. Either Oberlin got very bad advice from its counsel, or the Board of Trustees was willfully blind to the advice of counsel. This case should have been settled. The Dean was republishing defamatory documents to the media. This was not really ever a First Amendment case. This is he same Board that contracted with a Catholic health service that now will not provide proper women's health care, necessitating a separate contract with someone that will, and giving Oberlin another huge black eye. Something has to change. 


09/09/22 12:15 PM #165    

Ted Gest

I also have followed the Gibson's case closely and agree with Ralph's take on it. To clarify one point, former Dean Raimondo is no longer at Oberlin but left to head student affairs at Oglethorpe University. I believe that all major officials involved in this sorry episode have departed Oberlin. In case anyone didn't notice, the New York Times chose to put the case on its front page today, September 9, another PR hit for us. As many have pointed out, we should have settled this case at the outset.


09/09/22 12:47 PM #166    

 

Ted Morgan

I appreciate Ralph's postings helping us all understand this sad case. I wonder when the repercussions will come back to cause much needed change in Oberlin's Board of Trustees.

I'm also very conscious of how this case resonates with right wing politics --witness Rich Lowry's NY Post column about the "woke apocalypse" (not surprising, too, that Ms. Gibson's piece was in the Post, known for Right wing editorializing).  But that is a phenomenon that has for decades (going back into the 60's), helped to build a backlash that has shaped the world we live in.

 Those interested in a progressive, democratic future  and might be interested in a major survey study jointly published by the journal "Jacobin" and the institute for working class politics demonstrating how progressive candidates emphasizing economic inequality issues and downplaying "woke" politics would find broad support among the populace.  I take it what they mean by "woke" politics does not mean ignoring the very obvious need to address racism, sexism, & heterosexism in their many destructive forms, but instead to address these in a context of building a broader class coalition.


09/09/22 12:56 PM #167    

Robert Dickinson

I am sure everyone has seen the announcement yesterday by the college that they are initiating the payment of the court judgement plus interest.  While finally someone has reached an intelligent decision, this announcement is disappointing in its tone and lack of apology to the Gibson family.  Our President, and our Board of Trutees continue to show terrible judgement and a high level of arrogance in this announcement.  First, while they don't come out and say it blatantly, they obviously don't agree with the verdict.  In their settlement announcement they make no mention of the Gibson Family or the Gibson business relationship.  There is no apology for what this incident did to the Gibson family.  Their mental anguish had to be extreme!  They were being shunned in the community they had been a part of for over 135 years.  They had to lay off employees!  They continue to be accused of racism.  While money will give them a sense of security, it can't pay for the stress and anxiety this family has suffered for years.  I am ashamed of Oberlin College, its administration and the faculty, students and staff that continue to punish the Gibson family and business for the lies that were told about them a few years ago.  In my opinion the School should honor the Gibson's for the struggle they indurred.  The school should give vouchers to the students to spend at Gibson's business!  The school should immediately re-instate all of their business relationship that they had in the past.  Maybe one day the Gibson's will be so grateful they will make a donation to the college!  
 

 


09/09/22 12:58 PM #168    

 

Ralph Shapira

I am beyond relieved to learn that Dean Raimondo is no longer at Oberlin.  Thanks, Ted Gest, for this welcome news.


09/09/22 01:01 PM #169    

 

Ralph Shapira

And I'm SHOCKED to learn from Robert Baker that Oberlin rejected a mediated settlement of $5 million.  STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!!!


09/09/22 03:15 PM #170    

Edna Chun

Please see the excellent article, "The Oberlin outlier" by Eric Foster in cleveland.com. The sutitle is "in ourlegal system it is better to be wrongfully accused of being racist than to be a victim of racism."


09/09/22 10:42 PM #171    

 

Edward McKelvey

Thanks, Bob, for clarifying the $5 million settlement that was rejected.  I think this was what Dave Gibson was talking about in the conversation I had with him while still at Oberlin.  So the College rolled the dice and suffered a loss of more than $7/$1, not counting attorney fees and the implicit costs of time spent on this case and the effect it has had on town/gown relations.  Perhaps I'll talk to my colleagues in Economics about adding a course in risk assessment!

I see that the College has initiated the process of payment.  Welcome news, and I suppose we could not have expected any mea culpas given how hard they dug their heels in   A pretty grudging statement, all in all, that doesn't even mention Gibson's.

I don't know how others feel, but I am not willing to give to the College until I see the administration and the Board of Trustees acknowledge how badly they handled this situation alomg with tangible evidence that meaningful efforts are underway to improve community relations.  Maybe time will change things but that's how I have felt since this sorry episode started and it's how I still feel.

I was aware that Dean Raimondo had left and also that the General Counsel who managed this case (I forget her name) had also left.  With Krislov also gone that takes care of the key administration people.  The Board of Trustees is another matter.  Perhaps candidates for the Board should be asked to comment specifically on issues raised in this case as they see them.

 

 


09/10/22 08:56 AM #172    

Chuck Cole

I agree and intend to also withhold gifts to the College until I see a commitment from the Trustees to admit THEIR mistakes (the buck stops there) and chart a different course.  Perhaps our next class reunion (cluster) gift should come with some strings attached.  And how do we begin to alter the composition of the Board?  I know we can suggest almuni trustee nominees but don't the Trustees control who finally is on the ballot?  It will be a slow process but somehow this group of fellow alumni has so failed in its mission to safeguard the values of our College that we have held so dear.

Many of you will remember our telling the College that after we graduated, we would not give to the College until Robert Carr was no longer President. You will find it amusing (I hope) that in one of my first years at Dartmouth (retiring recently after 39 years on the faculty at the medical school, now the Geisel School of Medicine named for form Darmouth alumnus Dr. Seuss), I was at a faculty meeting when someone rose to praise how "that great scholar Robert Kenneth Carr would have handled a certain Dartmouth situation."  Carr went to Oberlin from his faculty position at Dartmouth.

 


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